If you aren’t already subscribed to the IndieHackers podcast, Courtland Allen is one of the best interviewers around and has built a massive archive of stories and lessons from bootstrappers like you and me.

Soon after the initial crest of the COVID19 crisis, I sat down with Courtland for a session of realtalk about my experience starting my business(es) in the last recession and some of my key survival tips for getting through the latest mess without losing your shirt.

Would you like more “realtalk” sessions like this? Let me know on Twitter!

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